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Conversing Over the Divide: Perspectives on Migration and Culture
Introducing the Participants
Steve, 64, Essex
Profession: Former underwriter
Political history: Typically Tory, apart from when he lived in “the socialist republic of south Hackney” and voted for the Social Democratic Party
Interesting fact: His focus in insurance was hostage situations: “Everyone always says that insurance is dull, but it’s not when you’re planning rescuing people from the Korean peninsula because the North Koreans have activated the missile silos”
Eva, twenty-five, London
Occupation: Graduate in psychology
Voting record: In her home country, Aotearoa, she supported both Labour and Green
Amuse bouche: Eva has been employed as a singer on cruise ships; her most extended voyage was six months, which is a long time to be at sea
Initial impressions
She: Steve seemed there to have a nice time, to be open
He: She seemed like a very intelligent, articulate, pleasant person
She: I had a tomato and mozzarella dish, pasta with fungi, and a creamy dessert thing, it was delicious
The big beef
Eva: He was definitely on the side of immigration being curtailed. He believes that UK residents who already live here, not just Caucasian Britons, don’t have as much access to the essential services, because increasing numbers are arriving. Whereas I just don’t think the figures are so problematic
He: I’m for skilled immigration, I don’t want to live in a white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant country with warm beer. But I maintain that authorities have used immigration to occupy positions they can’t get people to do without raising wages. Wages are kept low, so levies have to be kept low, so we are unable to improve services – allocate additional funds on child support, on schooling, on technology
She: I don’t have that much knowledge of the EU referendum, because I was 16 and abroad when it happened. He explained it to me in a different perspective. He told me about “posted workers” – people could come here and receive solely the wage of the country they came from
He: The French president spent two years getting the EU to abolish the system; it was reformed in 2018. Before that, posted workers coming in were undermining local employees. Under Gordon Brown, it was petroleum staff that were brought in; since then it’s been hospitality, farms. She grasped that, because she’d worked on a passenger vessel and said she was earning significantly higher than workers from other countries
Sharing plate
He: It would be great to have a alternative power, transition from fossil fuels. I don’t like pollution, I value fresh atmosphere, I love the countryside. We agreed on a lot of that. But I said, “What do you think of Norway?” Their energy revenues skyrocketed after the conflict began, they allocated those funds to build green infrastructure
She: So we’re dependent on their petroleum. You can see that’s an unfavorable approach to proceed. He was supportive of continuing our own oil exploration for the small amount we’ll need in the future. I partially concur with him. We’re still going to use planes. We both think we should be moving towards greener solutions, turbine fields and water power
Dessert topics
Eva: We briefly discussed anti-Muslim sentiment, though we avoided labeling it. He seemed worried by radical ideologies entering – he did note that a lot of the people in the Arab world were extremist, which I felt was not accurate. I think it’s prejudiced to form opinions based on religion
Steve: I hail from the East End. I asked her if she’d been to that district, and she said it had been gentrified. Naturally, I would say that: populated by professionals. But when I go down that local market, I look like a foreigner. People gaze at me because it’s become very Muslim. She had a little look at me about that. I used the word segregated area. Eva’s got Polish-Jewish ancestry – she doesn’t like that word, to her it denotes deprivation. I said, “No, it’s an area that becomes theirs.” I consented to substitute a alternative term – maybe enclave?
She: I feel like followers of Islam are really disproportionately shown in the news outlets as doing things wrong. It appears a little bit discriminatory, or xenophobic
Takeaway
Steve: I think we parted on good terms. We had a hug at the station
She: We both said that we’d had a wonderful evening
Ashley Carter
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